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Java Jive wrote:
Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


The screw tightens further:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
...
One analyst described the move, if it became long-term, as
an “insurmountable” blow to Huawei’s business."


A most serious blow to America's Leading Zero may be in the making:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/21...-cutoff-to-us/

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On 23/05/2019 11:56, Piet wrote:
Java Jive wrote:
Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


The screw tightens further:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
...
One analyst described the move, if it became long-term, as
an “insurmountable” blow to Huawei’s business."


A most serious blow to America's Leading Zero may be in the making:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/21...-cutoff-to-us/


Yes, I already knew about the dependency on China for 'rare-earth'
minerals. In some ways the surprise is that this has not come to
prominence sooner. Just shows what an inept clown Trump really is to
start throwing all the toys out of the pram without thinking of possible
long-term consequences that are far worse than the current situation he
chooses to find fault with. He and Boris Johnson are two of a kind,
it's bad enough for the west in general and the US in particular having
the former as president, heaven forbid that we should have to endure the
latter as PM as well! Looking at the political disarray in the west,
Putin et alia must be laughing his/their arse(s) off.
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On 22/05/2019 18:48, Woody wrote:
Whilst I can understand ARM suspending dealing with Huawei, what about
all the other phones - including iPhones and iPads - that use ARM chips
and are made/assembled in China? I read recently that <every smartphone
uses an ARM chip of some sort inside it.

Gives a whole new meaning to the word hypocrisy!


It's not (much) about insecurity of the mobile phones themselves.

It's sanctions, imposed as Huawei's network equipment is what the US
have the beef about*. Very few of the other mobile phone manufacturers
are in this market.

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On Monday, 20 May 2019 15:59:41 UTC+1, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.

2. It is a US government order. Non compliance could be costly for Google. It will be a perfect excuse as there are normally clauses about government action in commercial contracts.

3. Whilst Windows is proprietary, Android is Open Source, so you can just down load the source code and compile it yourself. Some of the Google App's may not be, but there are plenty of alternatives and many Google tools don't or won't work in China anyway.


Am I the only person who likes the idea of a mobile phone that does not
have to have all the Google Apps loaded and regularly updated (probably
with adverts rather than anything to do with security).


Decent app's and regular maintenance - bring it on...



By the way a foreign company intercepting Internet traffic is not new,
it happened in the US some years ago when a company from a supposedly
friendly country had critical equipment at the heart of the Internet
servers. It was all removed when discovered and they were banned.


History often repeats itself: -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmer...h_interception


Further to last Trump has now put Huawei in the balance for trade negotiations, which strongly suggests to me that the security concerns were just a smoke screen. In reality network nodes are pretty dumb, and the source code could be provided.

Interestingly all the dozens of BT cabinets with miles of here are Huawei.
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On Fri 24/05/2019 12:25, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Monday, 20 May 2019 15:59:41 UTC+1, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.

2. It is a US government order. Non compliance could be costly for Google. It will be a perfect excuse as there are normally clauses about government action in commercial contracts.

3. Whilst Windows is proprietary, Android is Open Source, so you can just down load the source code and compile it yourself. Some of the Google App's may not be, but there are plenty of alternatives and many Google tools don't or won't work in China anyway.


Am I the only person who likes the idea of a mobile phone that does not
have to have all the Google Apps loaded and regularly updated (probably
with adverts rather than anything to do with security).


Decent app's and regular maintenance - bring it on...



By the way a foreign company intercepting Internet traffic is not new,
it happened in the US some years ago when a company from a supposedly
friendly country had critical equipment at the heart of the Internet
servers. It was all removed when discovered and they were banned.


History often repeats itself: -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmer...h_interception


Further to last Trump has now put Huawei in the balance for trade negotiations, which strongly suggests to me that the security concerns were just a smoke screen. In reality network nodes are pretty dumb, and the source code could be provided.

Interestingly all the dozens of BT cabinets with miles of here are Huawei.


Of what I have seen oop 'ere in't north, most of the BT fibre feeding TV
stations is terminated in Huawei kit.

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Java Jive wrote:
On 23/05/2019 11:56, Piet wrote:
Java Jive wrote:
Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310

The screw tightens further:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
...
One analyst described the move, if it became long-term, as
an “insurmountable” blow to Huawei’s business."


A most serious blow to America's Leading Zero may be in the making:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/21...-cutoff-to-us/


Yes, I already knew about the dependency on China for 'rare-earth'
minerals. In some ways the surprise is that this has not come to
prominence sooner. Just shows what an inept clown Trump really is to
start throwing all the toys out of the pram without thinking of possible
long-term consequences that are far worse than the current situation he
chooses to find fault with. He and Boris Johnson are two of a kind,
it's bad enough for the west in general and the US in particular having
the former as president, heaven forbid that we should have to endure the
latter as PM as well! Looking at the political disarray in the west,
Putin et alia must be laughing his/their arse(s) off.


Didn’t take long for some Trump back-pedalling!
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48392021

Tim

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On Wed, 22 May 2019 16:04:35 +0100, Woody
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The main thing is that Huawei make B good phones that come with all
facilities active, e.g. almost every Android phone on the market has a
magnetometer for its compass, but it is surprising how many
manufacturers don't allow its use. I have a Moto G5 that in the rest of
the world has a compass and Gorilla glass, but in the UK access to the
compass is not available and the screen is ordinary plastic.


Does that mean my Moto G4 Play is not as good as it could have been?
At least it has NFC, which some later models don't.
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On Tue, 21 May 2019 12:48:36 +0100, MissRiaElaine
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On 21/05/2019 12:00, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:36:33 +0800, Chris in Makati
wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2019 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
wrote:

On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.

Google's Pixel phones are made by HTC, a Taiwanese company with their
factories in China.


Thinking about this, most if not all iPhones are made in China. Is
there scope either for infiltration or retaliation?


Find me something that *isn't* made in [censored] China...


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running a year late and over budget.


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