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Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310

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On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Am I the only person who likes the idea of a mobile phone that does not
have to have all the Google Apps loaded and regularly updated (probably
with adverts rather than anything to do with security).


By the way a foreign company intercepting Internet traffic is not new,
it happened in the US some years ago when a company from a supposedly
friendly country had critical equipment at the heart of the Internet
servers. It was all removed when discovered and they were banned.

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On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.

2. It is a US government order. Non compliance could be costly for Google. It will be a perfect excuse as there are normally clauses about government action in commercial contracts.

3. Whilst Windows is proprietary, Android is Open Source, so you can just down load the source code and compile it yourself. Some of the Google App's may not be, but there are plenty of alternatives and many Google tools don't or won't work in China anyway.


Am I the only person who likes the idea of a mobile phone that does not
have to have all the Google Apps loaded and regularly updated (probably
with adverts rather than anything to do with security).


Decent app's and regular maintenance - bring it on...



By the way a foreign company intercepting Internet traffic is not new,
it happened in the US some years ago when a company from a supposedly
friendly country had critical equipment at the heart of the Internet
servers. It was all removed when discovered and they were banned.


History often repeats itself: -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmer...h_interception
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On Mon, 20 May 2019 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.


Google's Pixel phones are made by HTC, a Taiwanese company with their
factories in China.

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On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:36:33 +0800, Chris in Makati
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On Mon, 20 May 2019 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.


Google's Pixel phones are made by HTC, a Taiwanese company with their
factories in China.


Thinking about this, most if not all iPhones are made in China. Is
there scope either for infiltration or retaliation?


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On 21/05/2019 12:00, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:36:33 +0800, Chris in Makati
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On Mon, 20 May 2019 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.


Google's Pixel phones are made by HTC, a Taiwanese company with their
factories in China.


Thinking about this, most if not all iPhones are made in China. Is
there scope either for infiltration or retaliation?


Find me something that *isn't* made in [censored] China...


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On Tue, 21 May 2019 12:00:50 +0100, Scott
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On Tue, 21 May 2019 08:36:33 +0800, Chris in Makati
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On Mon, 20 May 2019 07:59:38 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:27:42 UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:
Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Three things are quite important to this discussion: -

1. Google pulled out of China a decade ago rather than comply with their onerous censorship requirements - loads of lost business. There will be no love lost between Google and China, not only that Google is selling Pixel phones so are in direct competition with Huawei.


Google's Pixel phones are made by HTC, a Taiwanese company with their
factories in China.


Thinking about this, most if not all iPhones are made in China. Is
there scope either for infiltration or retaliation?


I'm sure there's plenty of scope for retaliation in lots of different
ways, and no doubt we'll be seeing this played out in the weeks and
months ahead.

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The main thing is that Huawei make B good phones that come with all
facilities active, e.g. almost every Android phone on the market has a
magnetometer for its compass, but it is surprising how many
manufacturers don't allow its use. I have a Moto G5 that in the rest of
the world has a compass and Gorilla glass, but in the UK access to the
compass is not available and the screen is ordinary plastic.

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On 20/05/2019 10:12, Scott wrote:

Any views here about this morning's reports about Huawei?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


The screw tightens further:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772

"Huawei: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant

UK-based chip designer ARM has told staff it must suspend business with
Huawei, according to internal documents obtained by the BBC.

ARM instructed employees to halt "all active contracts, support
entitlements, and any pending engagements” with Huawei and its
subsidiaries to comply with a recent US trade clampdown.

ARM's designs form the basis of most mobile device processors worldwide.

In a company memo, it said its designs contained “US origin technology”.

As a consequence, it believes it is affected by the Trump
administration's ban.

One analyst described the move, if it became long-term, as an
“insurmountable” blow to Huawei’s business."
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Whilst I can understand ARM suspending dealing with Huawei, what about
all the other phones - including iPhones and iPads - that use ARM chips
and are made/assembled in China? I read recently that <every smartphone
uses an ARM chip of some sort inside it.

Gives a whole new meaning to the word hypocrisy!

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